it says 32 way adjustment but its really just 3 way soft,medium and granite.
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A lot of people on this forum aren't going to like this.
Buddy Club, Driftworks, Kei Office, and Stance are all made at HD Systems in Korea, side by side, to the same specs. Apex'i, BC Racing, D2, Greddy, Ksport, Megan, Omni, Skunk2, Tanabe, T1R, Function Form, and GoPower coilovers (amongst many others) are all made side by side to the same horrible specs in the same Taiwanese knockoff factory (Bor Chuan).
The only difference in these coilovers is in the color they paint them. Bor Chuan will build you your own brand too, as long as you order at least 100 sets, and order them in a color that is not already in production for your application.
So please stop comparing these identical coilovers.
Same poop, different stink.
Now that we've established that ALL cheap aftermarket coilovers available for these cars are the SAME, I'll explain why they suck balls.
A little bit about these Taiwanese and Korean knockoffs, first, they are not revalvable or rebuildable except at the Bor Chuan factory. You cannot take these to a local shock builder and have them rebuilt, or have the valving changed because you changed springs.
And on that note, the springs. The springs are horrible, have been proven to be other rates than what is stamped on the spring, they also use an oddball size I.D. spring for some applications, so you CANNOT swap them out for high end springs like Eibach, Swift, Hypercoil, etc down the road. You can only use the junk proprietary springs from the knockoff factory in Taiwan.
The valving is crap to begin with, and the adjustment feature is moronic. Whoever designed these had absolutely no concept of how a damper works. It's quite comical actually. They tied the rebound and bump adjustment together, which is wrong. You need independent rebound at the very least. In order to properly adjust a damper, you need to be able to create a bias between rebound and bump, tie them together and any adjustment is in vain. You are only making the damper stiffer and softer overall, and that will do absolutely nothing to help your car handle well.
Koni Sport shocks are rebuildable, revalvable, can have DA's and shortened shafts/bodies installed, have a lifetime warranty, have near infinite valving options that can grow with you and the car, and perform, at the very least, 100 times better than anything that has ever come out of these Taiwanese and Korean knockoffs factories.
Ground Control coilovers use standard 2.5" I.D. springs for this application, so you will have near infinite spring options.
There really is no comparison to the knockoffs, Koni/GC is big boy performance at ricer boy prices.Last edited by testify; 01-26-2014, 08:42 AM.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
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Originally posted by testify View PostA lot of people on this forum aren't going to like this.
Buddy Club, Driftworks, Kei Office, and Stance are all made at HD Systems in Korea, side by side, to the same specs.
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Originally posted by shooktd View PostI've had buddy club for 3 years and they have close to 80k miles on them, they're still just as stiff as when i bought them, no leaks, no noise, no issues.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
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Originally posted by testify View PostI did not say that the Korean and Taiwanese knockoffs are unreliable, only that they are a poor choice if you want your car to handle better.
Secondly a one piece coilovers with the correct valving and spring rate like mine will out preform a set of koni yellows with ground control sleeves. Reason being is there is no pre-load on the Coil sleeves. If you look at most, if not all race cars. They use either a one piece coil system with external reservoirs or have a strut (in most cases koni yes) and spring setup that is fully pre-loaded, valved, and to their stiffness of choice..
I'm not saying buddy club is the best. But it isn't nearly a knockoff at any rate.
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Originally posted by shooktd View PostI'm not sure what buddy clubs you have looked at in person but mine are stamped made in japan.
Secondly a one piece coilovers with the correct valving and spring rate like mine will out preform a set of koni yellows with ground control sleeves. Reason being is there is no pre-load on the Coil sleeves. If you look at most, if not all race cars. They use either a one piece coil system with external reservoirs or have a strut (in most cases koni yes) and spring setup that is fully pre-loaded, valved, and to their stiffness of choice..
I'm not saying buddy club is the best. But it isn't nearly a knockoff at any rate.
Due to the inherent nature of the design, the actual damper bodies are extremely short, much shorter than they have to be for the drop they give. This is necessary to allow for the adjustment. Figure every strut body is going to be at the least, a full inch shorter at any given ride height than a proper Koni setup.
Shock travel is important, and lack of travel will make the car handle worse.
As I clearly stated, Koni shocks are available with shortened shafts and bodies to address the preload issue, without sacrificing unnecessary body length.
Also, preload is really not a method of 'tuning' your coilovers. You are only adding preload so that the spring doesn't bobble at full droop. Any time the suspension has ANY weight on it, it doesn't matter if you have zero preload or a hundred pounds, the spring will behave the same. Your car adds 500# on the spring the moment you drop it off the jackstands.
Furthermore, there are a couple things you can simply use to solve the aforementioned problem if you are running a lowered car on full length Koni's (not something you should be doing, buy the right shocks the first time), get a set of helper springs, get a set of drop hats.
I know the marketing of these knockoff coilover companies is effective, although misleading, but just remember that you cannot always believe everything you hear from the entity that is trying to separate you from your money.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
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Originally posted by testify View PostActually, those one piece coilovers are still not ideal.
Due to the inherent nature of the design, the actual damper bodies are extremely short, much shorter than they have to be for the drop they give. This is necessary to allow for the adjustment. Figure every strut body is going to be at the least, a full inch shorter at any given ride height than a proper Koni setup.
Shock travel is important, and lack of travel will make the car handle worse.
As I clearly stated, Koni shocks are available with shortened shafts and bodies to address the preload issue, without sacrificing unnecessary body length.
Also, preload is really not a method of 'tuning' your coilovers. You are only adding preload so that the spring doesn't bobble at full droop. Any time the suspension has ANY weight on it, it doesn't matter if you have zero preload or a hundred pounds, the spring will behave the same. Your car adds 500# on the spring the moment you drop it off the jackstands.
Furthermore, there are a couple things you can simply use to solve the aforementioned problem if you are running a lowered car on full length Koni's (not something you should be doing, buy the right shocks the first time), get a set of helper springs, get a set of drop hats.
I know the marketing of these knockoff coilover companies is effective, although misleading, but just remember that you cannot always believe everything you hear from the entity that is trying to separate you from your money.
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