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  • D15B Smokes like crazy, no blown HG...opinions?

    ok ill make this quick. my girl just picked up a 92 civic D15B7, the thing smokes like crazy from about 10 seconds after u start it up whenever you hit the gas it looks like a DJ's smoke machine.
    when we got the car it was low on coolant, figured bad headgasket. i compression tested the engine, 180 on all 4 cylinders with the throttle plate closed. i took the head off today, found NOTHING obviously wrong with the headgasket. i DID however notice that 6 of the 8 exhaust valve stems were coated with THICK buildup and looked shiny like they were wet. cyl 1 2 3 all had thick oily carbon sludge in the exhaust ports, cyl 4 is pretty dry. i also noticed that there seems to be a small puddle of oil in every valve relief on all the pistons, although the pistons seem almost unreasonably clean for teh amount of shit on the valves. ALSO, the FACES of the valves were almost all covered with thick carbon buildup (in 1, 2 and 3) to the point that they looked like the were domed out rather than dished in. i have the exhaust valves soaking in degreaser, gonna try to clean the shit off them.

    when the car was still together, the smoke increased with engine rpm and was ALWAYS there, not sometimes, the more pedal, the more smoke. so what im wondering is....does anyone have any insight? the only thing im lookin at now is the valve stem seals, since the valve stems looked liek they were still wet with oil, and had so much shit built up on them, especially the backsides. the intake valves are relatively clean. can stem seals cause an engine to smoke liek that though? can there be something wrong with the headgasket that im not seeing? (its one of the old style graphite ones) oh and it is a fel-pro brand gasket so that means that someone was in there already. what else can cause smoke like this with good, even compression?

    i guess that wasnt as short as i thought it would be lol, let me know if anyone has any suggestions

  • #2
    Nicorette gum should do the trick ;)
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    • #3
      o rings?

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      • #4
        my feeling is that its gotta be rings if its not the headgasket because the amount of smoke is CRAZY, but it doesnt seem to have excessive crankcase pressure, doesnt smoke from the valvecover breather like rings usually do, great compression and i forgot to mention, i pulled the spark plugs and there was smoke comin from cyl #2, but only 2

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        • #5
          Bad valve seals if compression test says good compression, especially with tons of oily buildup on the exhaust valves. Have you watched the oil level? I bet it is burning a sh!t ton if there was some oil in the reliefs. How 'bout a leak down test? See if any air is coming out of the valve cover.
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          • #6
            we just got the car its not even regged so i havent even taken it farther than in front of my house, if i rev it in neutral and get some music and lights i could have a rave! the head is already off the car so a leakdown is out of the question. with the amount of smoke i really thought it had to be a headgasket, the smoke doesnt really smell like much, more like carbon than anything. a little oil smell but it didnt really look blue. my other civic has blown rings and its got shitty compression and visibly smokes from teh valvecover breather, this one doesnt smoke from the breather at all, only from the tailpipe and the header/exhaust flange (bad donut)

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            • #7
              Well what do the valve seals look like when you clean them (I would expect the oily exhaust ones to look loose and sloppy when they are all clean)? You can replace those things for a few bucks, I would do it just to be safe unless you don't plan on keeping the engine. How do the cylinder walls look? How about the top of the block/bottom of the head? I really don't think you are getting coolant in there if there is no coolant in the cylinders and no signs of water in the oil...also could be bad oil rings. If that's the case time for a rebuild!
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              • #8
                the stem seals werent very snug on the stems, the valves slid out partway wheni loosened the valvesprings, the cylinder walls are pretty glazed over, no scoring or anything....give me 5 min ill post pics

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                  there does seem to be a tiny bit of oil in the coolant but idk if it dripped in there when i took the head off

                  EDIT:: the white on the nasty valve is from me trying to scrape the shit off with a knife, why its white idk but it didnt look white when i took them out, that is the worst and best lookin exhaust valve. another question is if i had bad rings shouldnt all the valves look like that? not just the exhaust valves?
                  Last edited by roe; 08-06-2009, 01:23 PM.

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                  • #10
                    With the pistons that clean, I would think Coolant is getting into the cylinders. Pistons dont look like that when there is a oil burning problem, unless its really fvckin severe!

                    Those flexable graphite Head gaskets are junk. It was probably overheated from the original headgasket failing, then someone replaced the head gasket, seen it still smoked, then probably sold it to you.

                    Because I believe the motor was overheated, I willing to bet that the head is warped from overheating which allows coolant to enter the cylinders in certain areas, even when the head is torqued down properly.

                    I would check the head with a straight edge, & check for warpage. if the head is warped, bring it to the machine shop, cut a couple thousanths off of it, then get a Multi-layer Steel headgasket, like the up-dated Honda Version.

                    Just my opinion form the Pics, & a perfectly good theory.
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                    • #11
                      thanks kyle i cleaned all the valves up and changed all the valve seals and already got the steel headgasket for it, just have to check it out witha straightedge and if its good ill put it on if not ill have it cut

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by roe View Post
                        thanks kyle i cleaned all the valves up and changed all the valve seals and already got the steel headgasket for it, just have to check it out witha straightedge and if its good ill put it on if not ill have it cut
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                        • #13
                          well if you have good compression and you got that nasty build up on your exhaust valves id say you valve seals are bad which would answer you oil burning problem but your pistons look pretty clean and unless you did that it would mean that coolant is leaking into your cylinders id suggest getting new valve seals and piston rings and while its apart you might as well get your cylinders honed

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                          • #14
                            i ended up cleanin everything and doin valve seals, head seemed ok but i put it back and it still smokes, gonna pull it back off and take it to the machine shop and have it cut, thanks for all teh input guys, ill let you know how it all turns out

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