I guess nobody does allmotor anymore:[

[daveedd357]

I hate basemap's and buttdyno's

[STITCH]

99% of people do not build motors past bolt ons though. AM and boost both SHOULD be built properly but no one ever does. Shti, no one ever even tunes anymore they just basemap it up.

i guess we are the 1%. the few and the proud.

[STITCH]

I hate basemap's and buttdyno's

I have a program that graphs exceleration over time which calculates a pretty close torque curve. The torque numbers aren't exact due to wind resistance and other variables, but its useful for showing gains.

[daveedd357]

gear ratio and weight are the main and extremely important variables that people usually cannot calculate. I want to test a gtech pro or the belltronics unit versus various dyno's. I don't know if it has been done recently

[STITCH]

You do not need to incorperate weight or gearing if you are doing a baseline and a final line as weight and gear ratios are constant, the numbers are useless alone, they are only used to show gains or loses in power.

well... for a graphed chart anyways.

PS, calculating gear ratios isn't that difficult, if yo do a pull in fourth and your 4th gear ratio is 1.13 and you made a graphed 235 wtq.

you can set up a proportion 1.13/235 = 1/x

[ZeroTraction]

I have a program that graphs exceleration over time which calculates a pretty close torque curve. The torque numbers aren't exact due to wind resistance and other variables, but its useful for showing gains.

What inputs does this program have for variables? I HIGHLY doubt the viability of such a program without having some extremely detailed inputs. Plus what dave means is that an engine torque curve is only one peice of making a car go fast. Everything needs to work together or you're wasting effeciency.
I would nix any truth of a transient response program, its far too complicated to throw into a simple program without it being thousands of dollars and run by a supercomputer.

[STITCH]

Like i said, the torque curve numbers ARE NOT ACCURATE, but they are consistant, regardless of what numbers you end up with, your looking for gains.

The program uses and exported spread sheet from kpro, to graph acceleration over time with certain smoothing factors.

[Teebo]

hey Tbone hows it going???? how are you feeling last thing i heard was you were in a bad accident but that was back when i still had my honda tech account.

[lsvcrx]

bump for allmotor with the occasional spray lol :cool:

[artymillz]

im all about all motor

[manchester motorsports]

Its not even an issue that Tom knows a think or two about Hondas. The simple fact is he is a man that most of the younger kids were dying to meet in the late 90's and start of the 2000's. Simply to pick his brain and maybe learn a thing or two. I for one never passed out his number without even consulting him first. Again the simple fact is kids would ask for it none stop. That has to be a pretty strong statement to his credit on honda knowledge. We can all learn A LOT from Tom but thats not a open invite to slam him with questions. We/I am very thankful for everything that he has helped me with, no need to go into details it would be a long list. So again thanks Tom for EVERYTHING that you do in the Honda community and out of the love for the hobbie. We need more guys like you now a days.

[acuratech]

i can second the above post.. listen to tbone.. he had a damn good teacher!:cool:.. and most people have no idea about the correct way to build a motor. weather it be n/a or turbo/ super/ n20 etc.. everythign needs to be done properly if it is going to work and last. i have built more of these motors than many of you have probally ever seen. and the differnce between a motor "put " together and one that has been assembled is huge...
and for you turbo guys on here that are nervous that a n/a car will run with or even beat your turbo set up.. you need to understand exactly what it takes to make a n/a motor run that strong and be reliable... its not something that happens by accident...the white civic has a lot of time into it to make it run the way it did, and that was several years ago ... you need to give tom his credit

[single slam 12]

guys theres no flaming going on here it it's just opinion well it's a known that tom can build a sick all motor vehicle and it's known for other people on this site to build sick boost cars no on one is picking on preference it's just he's showing us how a all motor car can still do damage if properly put together. tom preach on and drop knowledge pm me please gotta ask you about coating a few thing thank's

[Slowboy_Mike]

bump for allmotor with the occasional spray lol :cool:

Agree

I'm In for all Motor for sure. It just takes time building an all motor and doing it correctly.

[tomcat]

im building an allmotor h22! im shooting for 235+ at the wheels. I had between 215 and 220 before the rebuild and im doing a ton more this time.